{"id":5420,"date":"2019-11-19T19:03:54","date_gmt":"2019-11-19T23:03:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/monastere.ca\/non-classifiee\/the-beginnings-of-a-monastic-separation\/"},"modified":"2019-11-19T19:03:54","modified_gmt":"2019-11-19T23:03:54","slug":"the-beginnings-of-a-monastic-separation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/monastere.ca\/en\/culture-2\/the-beginnings-of-a-monastic-separation\/","title":{"rendered":"The Beginnings of a Monastic Separation"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>Did you know that in the beginning, the sisters of the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral de Qu\u00e9bec monastery were totally dependent on the H\u00f4tel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec community? The H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral only became a distinct and independent entity in May 1701, eight years after the arrival of the Augustinians. Archivist Audrey Julien retraces the story behind the separation. <\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>Do you know\nthe Saint-Augustin monastery? Founded January 1, 2016, it combined four active\nAugustinian monasteries: the H\u00f4tel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec, the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral de\nQu\u00e9bec, the H\u00f4tel-Dieu de Chicoutimi and the H\u00f4tel-Dieu de Roberval. The four\nmonasteries are now designated as a community. Created with the future in mind,\nthe group reflects the changing needs of religious communities today. The main\nreason behind its creation was the aging community and decreasing number of\nmembers, which has led to management issues of an increasing complexity as time\npasses. &nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>The major\nreorganization brings to light an obvious fact: for this union to take place,\nthere was an initial separation. The event, which involved the H\u00f4tel-Dieu de\nQu\u00e9bec and the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral de Qu\u00e9bec, officially took place on May 31,\n1701. The date is noted on the letters patent from King Louis XIV that allowed\nthe establishment of a religious community at the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral de Qu\u00e9bec. However,\nthere is a backstory which reveals the events that led to the signing of the\ndocument. <\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-image\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/monastere.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/old\/2017\/01\/HDQ_1739-1024x709.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1006\"\/><figcaption>L\u2019H\u00f4tel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec (1739). | \u00a9Monast\u00e8re des Augustines Archives <\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-heading\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Founding a General Hospital<\/h2>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>The idea of\nfounding a general hospital to care for elderly and vulnerable people in New\nFrance originally sprouted in the mind of Qu\u00e9bec\u2019s first bishop, Monseigneur\nFran\u00e7ois de Laval. Unfortunately, the circumstances of his time weren\u2019t\nfavourable to establishing it. His successor, Monseigneur Jean-Baptiste de la\nCroix de Chevri\u00e8re de Saint Vallier, made it his duty to complete the project\nupon his arrival in Canada as bishop on August 15, 1688. Many opposed the idea,\nas there was already a Bureau des pauvres (\u201coffice for the poor\u201d) managed by\nsecular administrators charged with redistributing revenue obtained from\ncitizens and communities to people in need. Mgr de Saint-Vallier insisted,\nhowever, that he would take the poor invalids in his charge; consequently, the Bureau\ndes pauvres administrators would fall under the jurisdiction of the H\u00f4pital\ng\u00e9n\u00e9ral, thus leading to its closure. <\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>In March\n1692, Mgr de Saint-Vallier obtained the letters patent from the king for the\nestablishment of a general hospital. On September 13 of the same year, he\ncompleted the purchase of the R\u00e9collets convent, located not far from Qu\u00e9bec on\nthe banks of the Saint-Charles river. He called on the Notre-Dame Congregation\nto care for the poor, and, on October 30, he welcomed them under the leadership\nof Sister Ursule and widow lady Denis. <\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-image\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/monastere.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/old\/2017\/01\/Sceau.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1003\"\/><figcaption> Letters patent for the establishment of a religious community at the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral de Qu\u00e9bec, signed by Louis XIV on May 31, 1701. | \u00a9Monast\u00e8re des Augustines Archives<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>To ensure\nthe project\u2019s longevity, Mgr de Saint-Vallier wished that active, knowing and\ndevoted women take charge of watching the interns and dealing with the details\nof the domestic economy. He therefore looked to the H\u00f4tel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec\u2019s nursing\nsisters, who first refused his request. They feared a possible change in their\nway of life, and losing several good subjects to caring for the sick. Rather,\nthey suggested that Mgr de Saint-Vallier invest the funds destined to founding the\nestablishment to build rooms attached to l\u2019H\u00f4tel-Dieu where they could welcome\ninvalids. According to their rule, they could not abandon the sick to care for\ninvalids. <\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>The last\npoint did not suit the Qu\u00e9bec bishop. He reiterated his request to the nursing\nsisters with a renewed confidence despite the opposition of the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral\u2019s\nadministrators. The H\u00f4tel-Dieu finally gave in under the advice of its\nadministrators to appease tensions and avoid tarnishing the image of their\nhouse: \u201cMonseigneur asked us for four sisters, and we obliged to give them to\nhim, and to replace them when one of the four dies\u201d (H\u00f4tel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec\nannals 1636-1716). On April 1, 1693, the four founders bid farewell to their\ncommunity, not without tears and apprehension due to the challenge which\nawaited beyond the walls of the cloister where they had taken their solemn\nvows.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>The\ncontract signed between the H\u00f4tel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec sisters and Mgr de\nSaint-Vallier stipulated that the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral sisters were dependant on the\nH\u00f4tel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec. After a two-year trial, Mgr de Saint-Vallier decided that\nit would be preferable to elect a superior at the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral and that the\n1000 francs granted by him be managed by the sisters of said hospital. In\naddition, the four founders were not sufficient to fill the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral\u2019s\ngrowing needs, and the prelate made several requests to add H\u00f4tel-Dieu sisters\nto his mission. Between 1696 and 1699, the H\u00f4tel-Dieu consented to part with\nthree more of its girls. Despite herself, newly arrived Sister Catherine\nThibierge de Saint-Joachim became the turning point of the story. From the day\nafter her arrival at the H\u00f4tel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec, the rumour that Mgr de\nSaint-Vallier had brought the young sister by force to the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral\nspread around the city. Despite the young girl\u2019s attempts to dismiss these\nlies, people succeeded in convincing her family to make her go back to the\nH\u00f4tel-Dieu as a question of honour. <\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-image\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/monastere.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/old\/2017\/01\/MgrdeSaint-Vallier-767x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1005\"\/><figcaption> Monseigneur Jean-Baptiste de la Croix de Chevri\u00e8re de Saint-Vallier (Mgr Saint-Vallier). | \u00a9Monast\u00e8re des Augustines Archives <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-heading\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Starting Point of the Separation<\/h2>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>The prelate\ncould no longer stand all the agitation, and decided to take things into his\nown hands. On March 12, 1699, Mgr de Saint-Vallier paid a visit to the\nH\u00f4tel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec with the following order:<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u00ab We order that from this day forth, your two houses remain separate, and that they each be led by their superior in the regular way of the other communities in France who have the power to make their elections and admit novices to the task and profession [\u2026] as much for the past as for the future [\u2026]\u201d (Order from Monseigneur de Saint-Vallier for the separation of the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral and the H\u00f4tel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec).<a href=\"#_ftn1\">[1]<\/a> <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>The order\nwas signed on April 7 by the sisters of the H\u00f4tel-Dieu \u201calthough against our\nwill and sentiment but only to yield to authority and to the major power\u201d\n(Election of the superior on March 12, 1694). The H\u00f4tel-Dieu sisters however\npresented a few articles which were applied to the order, including the\nlimitation of the number of H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral sisters to 15, while allowing the\nadmission of secular women to help them. For the H\u00f4tel-Dieu sisters, the\nreasoning behind this article was that \u201cthe two houses are too close to one\nanother to be able to find subjects to fill them both because of the small\nnumber of inhabitants, and that if the two houses cannot subsist, the\nH\u00f4tel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec house is more necessary than that of the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral\nand that finally, the young women come much more willingly for the H\u00f4pital\ng\u00e9n\u00e9ral than for the H\u00f4tel-Dieu because they are less exposed to death, there\nare fewer charges, the air and the situation are more pleasant, and there is\nthe appeal of novelty\u201d (Articles presented to Monseigneur)<a href=\"#_ftn2\">[2]<\/a>.\n<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>The order\nwas a deliverance for the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral sisters, who felt comfortable again\nand devoted themselves with renewed fervour to their nursing duties: \u201cThey\nhowever did not ignore that their sisters from Qu\u00e9bec only saw the new order of\nthings with sorrow. Certain poorly contained rumours, certain mysterious words\nreached their ears and gave them enough to hear that something unfortunate was\nafoot in the shadows, and that there were secret pursuits in France\u201d (<em>Monseigneur de Saint-Vallier et l\u2019H\u00f4pital\ng\u00e9n\u00e9ral de Qu\u00e9bec<\/em>, p. 139)<a href=\"#_ftn3\">[3]<\/a>.\nThe H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral sisters, who since had admitted novices to their monastery,\nprepared to have them profess. The H\u00f4tel-Dieu sisters pleaded with them to await\nthe reply from Court. Nonetheless, Monseigneur de Saint-Vallier presided over\nthe profession ceremony on July 31, 1700. <\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-image\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/monastere.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/old\/2017\/01\/NDdA.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1007\"\/><figcaption> The H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral de Qu\u00e9bec (1710).<br>| \u00a9Monast\u00e8re des Augustines Archives <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-heading\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Risking Dissolution<\/h2>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>In\nSeptember 1700, the king\u2019s ship docked with bad news on board. In a letter\nwritten on May 5, 1700, the king ordered the complete dissolution of the\nH\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral community. From then on, it would be solely managed by secular\nadministrators. The H\u00f4tel-Dieu sisters were surprised by these radical measures,\nhaving only suggested limiting the number of young girls admitted to the\nH\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral monastery. The king ordered the sisters\u2019 return to the\nH\u00f4tel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec, but the community refused to accept the sisters who had\nmade their profession at the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral, knowing welcoming them could\ndisturb the peace.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>Monseigneur\nde Saint-Vallier left for France on October 13, 1700 to support and defend the\nH\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral\u2019s interests, which were being so gravely compromised. Here is\nan example of the points that Monseigneur de Saint-Vallier defended in Court regarding\nthe necessity of making the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral an independent monastery:<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-list\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Without\nthe separation, peace will not be achievable between the different parties, as\nit seems impossible to agree upon the number of sisters to allow for the\nH\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral;<\/li><li>We\ncannot entrust the care for the general hospital to secular women and widows,\nas their number is insufficient in New France;<\/li><li>The\nH\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral was led with much success and edification in the management of\nboth the temporal and spiritual aspects;<\/li><li>Monseigneur\nde Saint-Vallier would be forced to withdraw the funds he had allocated to the\nH\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral if the nursing sisters were no longer to be its guardians. <\/li><\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>These\narguments finally convinced the king, who had letters patent written on May 31,\n1701 allowing the establishment of the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral de Qu\u00e9bec community. <\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-heading\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Coming Together for the Future<\/h2>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>This story\nhelps us draw parallels between the past and the present. Today, we recognize\nthat one of the reasons that triggered the creation of the Saint-Augustin\nmonastery is the aging community and its decreasing number of members. 318\nyears prior, the reverse was true: the growing religious community and needs of\nthe population led to the separation between the founding monastery, the\nH\u00f4tel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec, and its first foundation, the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral. For the\nsisters who experienced it, the separation was very painful. But thanks to Mgr\nde Saint-Vallier\u2019s determination and devotion, as well as the generosity and\nopenness of the H\u00f4tel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec\u2019s sisters, the Augustinians gave birth to\na total of 12 hospital monasteries throughout Qu\u00e9bec and three missions abroad,\nall the while helping create a strong and united Canadian federation. <\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p><strong>Further reading<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>OURY, Guy-Marie. <em>Monseigneur de Saint-Vallier et ses pauvres 1653-1727<\/em>, Les \u00c9ditions La Libert\u00e9, Qu\u00e9bec, 1993, 185 pages.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>O\u2019REILLY, Sister H\u00e9l\u00e8ne. <em>Monseigneur de Saint-Vallier et l\u2019H\u00f4pital G\u00e9n\u00e9ral de Qu\u00e9bec<\/em>, C. Darveau Imprimeur-\u00c9diteur, 1882, 743 pages.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p>JUCHEREAU de St-Ignace, Mother Jeanne-Fran\u00e7oise et Marie-Andr\u00e9e DUPLESSIS de Sainte-H\u00e9l\u00e8ne. <em>Les Annales de l\u2019Hotel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec 1636-1716<\/em>, H\u00f4tel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec, Qu\u00e9bec, 1984, 444 pages.<br><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/>\n\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p class=\"has-small-font-size\"><a href=\"#_ftnref1\">[1]<\/a> \u00ab\nNous ordonnons que dez ce jour \u00e0 l\u2019avenir vos deux maisons demeureront\ns\u00e9par\u00e9es, et qu\u2019elles seront conduites chacune par sa sup\u00e9rieure en la mani\u00e8re\nordinaire des autres communaut\u00e9s de France qui ont pouvoir de faire leurs\n\u00e9lections et d\u2019admettre des novices \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9preuve et \u00e0 la profession [\u2026] tant\npour le pass\u00e9 que pour l\u2019avenir [\u2026] \u00bb (Ordonnance de Monseigneur de\nSaint-Vallier pour la s\u00e9paration de l\u2019H\u00f4pital G\u00e9n\u00e9ral de l\u2019H\u00f4tel-Dieu de\nQu\u00e9bec).<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p class=\"has-small-font-size\"><a href=\"#_ftnref2\">[2]<\/a>\n\u00ab&nbsp;[Les] deux maisons sont trop pr\u00e8s l\u2019une de l\u2019autre pour pouvoir trouver\ndes sujets pour les remplir toutes deux attendu le petit nombre d\u2019habitants,\nque si l\u2019une et l\u2019autre maison ne peut pas subsister celle de l\u2019H\u00f4tel-Dieu de\nQu\u00e9bec est plus n\u00e9cessaire que celle de l\u2019H\u00f4pital G\u00e9n\u00e9ral et que finalement,\nles jeunes filles se pr\u00e9sentent beaucoup plus volontiers pour l\u2019H\u00f4pital G\u00e9n\u00e9ral\nque pour l\u2019H\u00f4tel-Dieu attendu qu\u2019elles y sont moins expos\u00e9es \u00e0 la mort, qu\u2019il y\na moins de charge, que l\u2019air et la situation y sont plus agr\u00e9ables et l\u2019attrait\nde la nouveaut\u00e9 \u00bb (Articles pr\u00e9sent\u00e9s \u00e0 Monseigneur).<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"item wysiwyg component-paragraph\" ><div class=\"container\">\n<p class=\"has-small-font-size\"><a href=\"#_ftnref3\">[3]<\/a> \u00ab\nElles n\u2019ignoraient pas n\u00e9anmoins que leurs soeurs de Qu\u00e9bec ne voyaient qu\u2019avec\npeine le nouvel ordre des choses. Certaines rumeurs mal contenues, certaines\nparoles myst\u00e9rieuses parvenaient \u00e0 leurs oreilles et leur donnaient assez \u00e0\nentendre que quelque chose de f\u00e2cheux se tramait dans l\u2019ombre, et qu\u2019il se\nfaisait des poursuites secr\u00e8tes du c\u00f4t\u00e9 de la France \u00bb (Monseigneur de\nSaint-Vallier et l\u2019H\u00f4pital G\u00e9n\u00e9ral de Qu\u00e9bec, p. 139).<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Did you know that in the beginning, the sisters of the H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral de Qu\u00e9bec monastery were totally dependent on the H\u00f4tel-Dieu de Qu\u00e9bec community? The H\u00f4pital g\u00e9n\u00e9ral only became a distinct and independent entity in May 1701, eight years after the arrival of the Augustinians. 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